you have ceos and i read about them what happened in 2003 with enron and worldcom and then what's happened in the last year or so, who basically drive their companies into the ground and in the process become phenomenally rich themselves. that was not what was intended by capitalists. >> so we're now going to transform new the secretary of the treasury. you are presiding over what hank paulson and george bush saw a year ago. what do you do about it? you have a company like aig, which is $185 billion, has $185 billion of taxpayers' money. do you let them fail? because if you do, you know what the consequences are. >> no. i would not have let them fail but i would have driven a very hard bargain. i would have attached many strings which would have included breaking up the company so it's no longer too big to fail which it continues to be and i would have definitely driven a very hard bargain when it came to paying back the counterparties. we gave a hundred cents to the dollar so that's why goldman sachs for example ended up getting $12 billion from the government. so when goldman sachs comes